Debbi (00:11): Sometimes things work and sometimes I never know what's going on.
Melissa (00:15): That's life, I think.
Debbi (00:16): Yeah, I think so. Yeah. Keep swimming. Keep swimming like a rat. That's the way I feel sometimes. It's like, aaagh. Let's see. What do you do to relax? Do you have any hobbies that you particularly like?
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